with bill clinton. he didn't have much interest in surveillance, intelligence and international affairs when he got started. it all changes and people used to say james woolsey never gets to see the president. it does play into a narrative we're beginning to see. it's beginning to show the president, even though "the new york times" points out there is dysfunction there and obviously you feel the same way, it shows to say i think there is someone going on here, removing the president from the blame. pulling him back and saying blame these people for not executing for him which would partly explain why robert gibbs on another channel, who was a former press secretary and good friend, is blasting to everybody around the president saying someone's got to be fired which plays into his former deputy bill burton coming on megyn kelly last night and saying something similar. listen. >> as a loyalist to the president, as somebody who is behind this law and worked hard with the team to get it passed, do you want